A few words about…™ Peter Pan (1924) — in Blu-ray

lark144 · Jun 20, 2019

Thanks for the review. A film that I haven't seen since I was a child. I loved it then, especially Betty Bronson. I can't wait to become reacquainted. Never liked the Disney version as I saw the silent film first.

PMF · Jun 20, 2019

You had me at Howe. :thumbs-up-smiley:

StarDestroyer52 · Jun 20, 2019

Thanks for sharing. I have my copy pre-ordered for $10.98.

warnerbro · Jun 21, 2019

StarDestroyer52 said:
Thanks for sharing. I have my copy pre-ordered for $10.98.

Where'd you get it for that price?

JoeDoakes · Jun 21, 2019

lark144 said:
Thanks for the review. A film that I haven't seen since I was a child. I loved it then, especially Betty Bronson. I can't wait to become reacquainted. Never liked the Disney version as I saw the silent film first.

Out of curiosity, about when was that?

StarDestroyer52 · Jun 21, 2019

warnerbro said:
Where'd you get it for that price?

There was a price mistake at BullMoose where they had it at $7.97. It's has apparently been corrected to $17.97 so its no longer available at the price I ordered it at.

Ed Lachmann · Jun 21, 2019

I've seen Peter Pan on the silver screen three times, once at a child's matinee in 1991 where the kids cheered and applauded at the end. Can't wait for this. I've never seen the next Brenon/Bronson classic, A Kiss For Cinderella (1926), which was just as popular and beloved. There's a nice print I've heard in the Eastman Archive. Would LOVE to see that come to blu-ray!

lark144 · Jun 21, 2019

JoeDoakes said:
Out of curiosity, about when was that?

The mid to late 50's, I think. Maybe 1957, when I was 6 years old. I grew up in Syracuse, and for a time they used to show silent films at the RKO on South Salina Street on Saturdays mornings oriented towards children. (It may have been somewhere else, but this is what I remember.) My grandfather, who was a silent film buff, used to take me. In addition to Bronson's PETER PAN, I recall seeing THE LOST WORLD, THE BLACK PIRATE (in black & white) and some Chaplins. Anyway, I was too young to see Disney's PETER PAN when it was originally released, so by the time I got to it, which I think was '59 or '60, I had already seen the silent film as well as watched the musical with Mary Martin on television, and also possibly had read the play at the Public Library, so I was highly critical of the Disney, especially the animation, which at the time I found streamlined and one-dimensional. I was a very serious 9 year old, at least when it came to films.

lark144 · Jun 21, 2019

Ed Lachmann said:
I've never seen the next Brenon/Bronson classic, A Kiss For Cinderella (1926), which was just as popular and beloved. There's a nice print I've heard in the Eastman Archive. Would LOVE to see that come to blu-ray!

I've never seen A KISS FOR CINDERELLA either, and would snap up a Blu-ray of it. A quadruple like for that wish!

Robert Harris · Jun 22, 2019

lark144 said:
The mid to late 50's, I think. Maybe 1957, when I was 6 years old. I grew up in Syracuse, and for a time they used to show silent films at the RKO on South Salina Street on Saturdays mornings oriented towards children. (It may have been somewhere else, but this is what I remember.) My grandfather, who was a silent film buff, used to take me. In addition to Bronson's PETER PAN, I recall seeing THE LOST WORLD, THE BLACK PIRATE (in black & white) and some Chaplins. Anyway, I was too young to see Disney's PETER PAN when it was originally released, so by the time I got to it, which I think was '59 or '60, I had already seen the silent film as well as watched the musical with Mary Martin on television, and also possibly had read the play at the Public Library, so I was highly critical of the Disney, especially the animation, which at the time I found streamlined and one-dimensional. I was a very serious 9 year old, at least when it came to films.

I always found the multi-plane in the Disney film beautifully done.

Danny Burk · Jun 22, 2019

Ed Lachmann said:
I've seen Peter Pan on the silver screen three times, once at a child's matinee in 1991 where the kids cheered and applauded at the end. Can't wait for this. I've never seen the next Brenon/Bronson classic, A Kiss For Cinderella (1926), which was just as popular and beloved. There's a nice print I've heard in the Eastman Archive. Would LOVE to see that come to blu-ray!

Well, I wouldn't call it a "nice print". It has lengthy sections of serious deterioration, sadly in the scenes that would be most impressive (the ball, for example). They're not just ordinary nitrate decomp, but strange in that they flip back and forth to give the impression of a negative flipping to a positive and back again, many times over. My guess is that these would make someone think twice about a commercial release, although IMO we silent film fans would still like to have it regardless.

The film was apparently one of great beauty originally. It was tinted, toned, and hand-colored, none of which survive in the poor Xerox-copy print that exists today. Eastman House used to show their nitrate print as an annual treat, but it wasn't preserved in time. You can read the sad story of the film in W. K. Everson's AMERICAN SILENT FILM.

lark144 · Jun 22, 2019

Robert Harris said:
I always found the multi-plane in the Disney film beautifully done.

I certainly did the last time I saw it, when it came out on Blu. I found it very impressive, and much more involving and beautiful than I remembered. Some sequences are absolutely breathtaking, in terms of the depth of field. (One could write an essay comparing Disney's innovation of the multi-plane camera, especially as seen in PINOCCHIO, and Orson Welles and Greg Tolland's experiments in depth of field from the contemporaneous CITIZEN KANE.) But as a nine year old, I don''t think I knew about, or could discern, multi-plane animation. What bothered me was that the backgrounds were only sketched in, and especially the faces of people in the distance weren't fully drawn. This doesn't trouble me at all now. Either I've become less critical as I've grown older, or the film was better than I initially thought. Still, as an expression of J.M. Barrie's vision, I'll take the silent PETER PAN over the Disney.

bujaki · Jun 22, 2019

lark144 said:
I've never seen A KISS FOR CINDERELLA either, and would snap up a Blu-ray of it. A quadruple like for that wish!

I'm surprised you haven't seen KISS. I saw it either at MoMA or Bill Everson's print while I lived in NY. Everson loved both Peter Pan and A Kiss for Cinderella.

lark144 · Jun 22, 2019

bujaki said:
I'm surprised you haven't seen KISS. I saw it either at MoMA or Bill Everson's print while I lived in NY. Everson loved both Peter Pan and A Kiss for Cinderella.

I regularly attended Bill Everson's screenings at the New School & the Huff Society in the early '70's, as well as took as many of his classes as I could the time I was at NYU, so it's possible that I saw the film but just don't remember (though PETER PAN left such an indelible impression I find it hard to believe that if I did see A KISS FOR CINDERELLA, its images would fade from my mind 40+ years later. Then again, there are plenty of films I'm under the impression of never having seen, and then when I see them, realize that I have.) I do remember Mr. Everson waxing ecstatic about A KISS FOR CINDERELLA in class, but at the time, he had lent the print to someone and it hadn't yet come back.

bujaki · Jun 22, 2019

lark144 said:
I regularly attended Bill Everson's screenings at the New School & the Huff Society in the early '70's, as well as took as many of his classes as I could the time I was at NYU, so it's possible that I saw the film but just don't remember. I do remember Mr. Everson waxing ecstatic about A KISS FOR CINDERELLA in class, but at the time, he had lent the print to someone and it hadn't yet come back.

As I've said before, I was at the same places you were (New School, the Huff Society, Everson's NYU classes, MoMA screenings) from 1972 to 1988. I was also a regular at the Bleecker St. and Carnegie Hall Cinemas, as well as the Regency because their managers let me in for free. I even borrowed 16mm prints from the Bleecker and Carnegie Hall Cinemas as well as from Bill Everson!
Do the names Bob Kalish, Ed McGuire, Rick Scheckman ring a bell? They were always first in line at MoMA screenings. And so were my wife and I.

Rodney · Jun 22, 2019

I'm enjoying reading this thread, and I need to put this one on my to be purchased list. Keep the discussion going, folks!

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lark144 · Jun 22, 2019

bujaki said:
Do the names Bob Kalish, Ed McGuire, Rick Scheckman ring a bell? They were always first in line at MoMA screenings. And so were my wife and I.

Of course. Everybody who went to MOMA knew Ed McGuire, as he always carried current schedules of every revival house in his copy of the "NYTimes." Bob Kalish I used to be fairly close to when I managed the Gotham, and I still run into him occasionally. The last time I was at MOMA he was still sitting in the front row.

Dick · Jun 22, 2019

Robert Harris said:
I always found the multi-plane in the Disney film beautifully done.

The kids flying above the clouds, which suddenly open up beneath them to reveal a landscape far below, was an amazing, if fleeting, use of multi-plane. I can't recall (without watching it again) what other instances (if any) of this simulated deep depth appear in the film.

warnerbro · Jun 25, 2019

The mermaid and pirate scenes were filmed at Catalina.

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