ATSC 3.0

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When I first purchased my house, not that long ago, I made sure that I was going to keep by bills low.  Basically, I have the internet, and a cell phone.  I got a pretty nifty antenna so that I could watch some local things, maybe stay up to date on the news, watch some sports when they were on the right channels, etc.   So far, it has worked pretty well.  Sports are in surround sound, the picture is adequate; I’m fairly entertained.

This may be old news to most of you, but ATSC 3.0 is extremely exciting to me, and it is getting closer.  The cool things that ATSC 3.0 can do are pretty neat.  I broadband integration and 4k resolution are also exciting.  It seems to be the natural progression of technology, but why did it take so long?

ATSC 1.0 reached an agreement for an all-digital broadcast back in 1996, it took a little while for this to happen, and a lot of consumer education, but it eventually worked out.  Believe me, I understand how difficult it was.  That was the exact time that I worked in consumer electronics retail, and the entire world was freaking out, not knowing what to do.  Once it became more mainstream, people began to understand this as the normal standard.

Now, with everything ATSC 3.0 can do, it looks like it will satisfy most of our needs, for OTA broadcasting that is.  Korea will get it first, and I can’t wait to see what it can do.

What are you most excited about?  Do you watch OTA TV?  Will you now?

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DaveF

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As OTA viewers are pretty low with everyone on cable, and cable starting to be pressured by people moving to internet streaming, what is the target market for ATSC in the U.S.?
 

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Interesting article. And I'm glad for broadcast standards to keep up with technology. But I still don't understand how this fits in a world of distribution moving to streaming.
 

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4k streaming will of course require bandwidth - http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/01/4k-streaming-bandwidth-problem.html

Not that those speeds are outrageous by today's standards. I just increased my speed (as it was cheaper with the Spectrum take over of Brighthouse than what I was paying). I have Netflix and Amazon Prime but have not gotten around to up the Netflix plan to 4k (I believe the speed I am supposed to get is 60/5 and I just tested it at 72.45/6.25 via a wired connection and I do have hard wiring available if I get a device to stream 4k).

I haven't had cable TV at all (lived in Northern, VA before FL). Most people I know just complain about the costs of cable often. Between music I have (and I have not even played lots of what I own), broadcast TV, Blu-Rays I own (a couple of hundred but just a couple of UHD disc), DVDs (I have lots - about 600 - used to buy more movies - sold my LDs about a year back) and Netflix and Amazon Prime (and I don't even use the latter two tons at all), I don't have tons of time for TV. Most of the time a TV show is on is when the girlfriend comes over

Cable of course is one the decline - http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...cutting-accelerating-20160829-snap-story.html Streaming is on the rise - https://www.statista.com/topics/1514/online-tv/ I'd imagine the people who make broadcast transmission and consumer electronics (e.g. tuners) would like to generate more sales with a new standard in a similar fashion as new receivers that come out with new features and formats.
 

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Yes. Exactly. :) So I don't know where ATSC 3.0 fits in a world where media content is distributed over the internet. People aren't cutting the cable to return to OTA, they're going to streaming service.

The caveat would be if the new format provides much better reception with much lesser antenna than HDTV. If I could get 4k OTA with no antenna, that could be an attractive combination with streaming services. But I doubt that will be the case.

The difficulty is that OTA really serves the lower-cost areas of the country, which also tend to have worse internet options. But, in broad strokes, those aren't the areas where people are upgrading to expensive new UHD HDR Surround Sound systems.
 

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NextGen TV Launches in NYC!

Public television’s WLIW21 of The WNET Group is hosting NextGen TV broadcasts for six local channels:

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We're having the most serious fun experiences with ZapperBox's new M1-2 OTA ATSC NextGEN TV DVR. This is best way to enhance your Network and PBS channels with the best premium image and audio quality advancements of the new OTA ATSC 3.0 NextGEN TV system.

We have ZapperBox's new M1-2 dual tuner DVR set-top-box connected to Channel Master's CM-1776 Pro Model OTA Antenna. Here's the link to our ZapperBox M1 webpage. Check this out!



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I've gotten the Zapperbox as well. There are broadcasts in my area (from Orlando, FL stations) and I use it a bit. I haven't tried recording anything (and I never have been much of a TV series watcher and many moons ago I owned an outboard DVD recorder for a long time and I think it got used once or twice to record - I transferred home VHS tapes to DVD for a couple of people as well and I gave the DVD recorder away over a decade back along with a CD recorder don't need it as I picked up an Ion VHS to DVD converter a long time ago for $35 at Woot and that's only been used a couple of times to convert home VHS tapes to DVDs over the past decade).

I have a Philips Screeneo U5 projector and many times vs. turning on the whole system, I have my old Samsung DTB-H260F set top box hooked to HDMI 2 (I have an A/B coax switch box to switch between the two TV tuners). I have another Samsung DTB-H260F with the bedroom projector and a couple of older Samsung set top boxes sitting in the garage. The Zapperbox does have a more sensitive tuner.

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I've gotten the Zapperbox as well. There are broadcasts in my area (from Orlando, FL stations) and I use it a bit. I haven't tried recording anything (and I never have been much of a TV series watcher and many moons ago I owned an outboard DVD recorder for a long time and I think it got used once or twice to record - I transferred home VHS tapes to DVD for a couple of people as well and I gave the DVD recorder away over a decade back along with a CD recorder don't need it as I picked up an Ion VHS to DVD converter a long time ago for $35 at Woot and that's only been used a couple of times to convert home VHS tapes to DVDs over the past decade).

I have a Philips Screeneo U5 projector and many times vs. turning on the whole system, I have my old Samsung DTB-H260F set top box hooked to HDMI 2 (I have an A/B coax switch box to switch between the two TV tuners). I have another Samsung DTB-H260F with the bedroom projector and a couple of older Samsung set top boxes sitting in the garage. The Zapperbox does have a more sensitive tuner.

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The FCC needs to sort out the DRM & patent pool issues before ATSC3.0 becomes a viable alternative to 1.0.
 

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ZapperBox has a new firmware upgrade that also requires them to have access to your ZapperBox M1 OTA DVR that will decode DRM channels.
 

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ZapperBox has a new firmware upgrade that also requires them to have access to your ZapperBox M1 OTA DVR that will decode DRM channels.
The FCC's problems are: channels are presently DRM encoded that should not be, the 1.0 equivalents are free & clear; future patent litigation may cause manufacturers to withdraw support for 3.0 (LG has already bowed out) others may follow. The 1.0 patent pool worked well, 3.0 is a mess.
 

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I understand and agree, ^^ but I am also very happy to see ZapperBox come up with a firmware upgrade that decodes and displays all DRM channels.
 

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Yes - own Thiels (3.7s since they were first introduced) and from the picture original Power Points as the front Atmos speakers, MCS1 as the center channel, 2 pairs of SCS2s as the side and rear surrounds and I have Axiom in-ceilings as the rear Atmos channels.
 
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