Nelson Au
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Adam, that would be telling!
You know, that would actually be the perfect way to make the film a back door pilot for ST: Legacy. And with Michele Yeoh lending her talents to the first P+ ST movie, the talent will obviously be there. Plus, it’d probably have a shorter production and post.Maybe it’s a film for Paramount +.
Hopefully someone at Paramount saw it and will green light Star Trek Legacy.
I think it's more that times in the streaming space are a lot leaner than they were when "Picard" was originally greenlit. "Discovery" is the stamp that Kurtzman put on the Star Trek franchise, and "Starfleet Academy" is a continuation of that. Accordingly, he has a lot more personal investment in that than he does in a continuation of Picard.But I think reading between the lines, total speculation on my part, Paramount isn’t interested and they may even resent that Terry Matalas has been going to the general public asking them to demand a show that Paramount declined to pursue.
That would be true if we were talking about a "Picard" S4/TNG S9. But it seemed like "Legacy" would be built around Seven of Nine, Raffi, and Jack Crusher with the TNG stars only making special guest appearances.The thing with a potential Legacy show is that it’s going to cost more than the Starfleet Academy show. All of the returning cast would command bigger salaries than a bunch of unknowns in the academy show would. Production insurance costs for a show led by senior citizens will cost more than it would for a show of youngsters.
I agree with this as well. Star Trek is a valuable enough franchise that it will have a future in some form or another no matter what. But I doubt they'll want to make any big swings until they know what the future of Paramount (and by extension Paramount+) is going to be.Michelle Hurd recently said that the show would happen if the fans want it. Kurtzman said the studio has heard the fans “loud and clear.”
However, the fate of Paramount is very much up in the air right now. I don’t think much will happen until we see what happens with the parent company.
This is a lot of it right there, for me. WBD has been cutting everything, so if they buy Paramount, Trek won't be safe. Disney is cutting, so if they buy Paramount, Trek isn't safe. Universal hasn't been in full on cut mode, so this might be okay IF Universal has any interest. Apple and Amazon spend money like there's no tomorrow, so sure...a possibility if they were interested.If Paramount does get gobbled up by Warner Bros. Discovery, there's no way that David Zaslav is going to be willing to spend as lavishly on the franchise as CBS/Paramount has in recent years.
I clocked that when I watched the episode. Additionally, the planet was M'talas prime, after showrunner Terry Matalas, and the crew operated out of District 7, which was an homage to the West VII scavenger group.Just watched Episode 5 "Imposters" last night and read comments through that episode (page 22). There were some comments referring to previous roles of Kirk Acevedo. One key role that wasn't mentioned was him playing Jose Ramse in 12 Monkeys and that his speech as Krinn in this episode was right out of that show. It was describing Ramse's and Cole's relationship in 12 Monkeys - they were scavengers who considered themselves brothers. So, a big 12 Monkeys Easter egg there. And it becomes even bigger when you find out that under all those Sneed prosthetics and makeup was Aaron Sanford, who played James Cole. Once we finish the series I'll circle back to listen to the commentaries and I'm looking forward to what they say when Sneed appears in Episode 4 "Disengage."
Which was actually introduced in "Enterprise", when Matalas was Brannon Braga's assistant. The only thing I found a bit strange here is that a planet close enough for the NX-01 to reach with its Warp 5 engines still hadn't joined the Federation nearly a quarter of a millennium later.Additionally, the planet was M'talas prime, after showrunner Terry Matalas
The best thing to do to mollify the fans would be a movie or just to do a pilot, air it and see how it flies. I think Paramount also has looked at some of the issues surrounding Marvel and don’t want to spread their IP too thin. Add in the fact that Picard might not have reached the heights they wanted, and it does explain their reluctance to focus on newer Trek properties and not legacy.I don’t disagree with you on any of that. These things always come down to money in the end. And they don’t release viewership numbers for streaming, or how the existence of these shows affect their membership numbers, so we have very little to go on.
The thing with a potential Legacy show is that it’s going to cost more than the Starfleet Academy show. All of the returning cast would command bigger salaries than a bunch of unknowns in the academy show would. Production insurance costs for a show led by senior citizens will cost more than it would for a show of youngsters. The magic number that would make the academy show financially viable is surely smaller than what it would be for Legacy.
And for better or worse, TNG has arguably underperformed with paying audiences for the past couple decades. The last couple TNG movies didn’t do much theatrically. The remastered Blu-rays failed to recoup their costs. There has been a long history of a small number of vocal TNG fans asking for projects and then the larger fandom not showing up to support them.
I want this show but I think Paramount has probably concluded they wouldn’t recoup their investment on it. It shouldn’t be a hard sell but with Trek it often is.
I always pictured the Federation As akin to NATO.Which was actually introduced in "Enterprise", when Matalas was Brannon Braga's assistant. The only thing I found a bit strange here is that a planet close enough for the NX-01 to reach with its Warp 5 engines still hadn't joined the Federation nearly a quarter of a millennium later.
I'd always thought of the Federation as a contiguous thing, but I suppose it wouldn't be. It's more of a supranational political and economic union of sovereign members like the European Union than a federal republic like the United States or Germany. And given that it's an alliance that expands through peaceful diplomatic negotiations rather than through violent conquest like the Klingon Empire, the Romulan Star Empire, or the Dominion, it makes sense that there would be holdouts.
At the same time, there are clearly agreed upon boundaries between the Federation and the other major powers in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. The Maquis discovered the limits of the Federation's tolerance when its settlements threatened the Federation's peace with the Cardassians.
Zaslav is a putz.I think it's more that times in the streaming space are a lot leaner than they were when "Picard" was originally greenlit. "Discovery" is the stamp that Kurtzman put on the Star Trek franchise, and "Starfleet Academy" is a continuation of that. Accordingly, he has a lot more personal investment in that than he does in a continuation of Picard.
That would be true if we were talking about a "Picard" S4/TNG S9. But it seemed like "Legacy" would be built around Seven of Nine, Raffi, and Jack Crusher with the TNG stars only making special guest appearances.
One advantage that "Legacy" would have over "Starfleet Academy" is that they could reuse the Titan-A sets built for "Picard" S3.
The most expensive thing about "Picard" was probably Patrick Stewart's insistence that they film in southern California. Would Jeri Ryan be willing to relocate to Toronto so they could consolidate shooting to one central home base? I don't know.
I agree with this as well. Star Trek is a valuable enough franchise that it will have a future in some form or another no matter what. But I doubt they'll want to make any big swings until they know what the future of Paramount (and by extension Paramount+) is going to be.
If Paramount does get gobbled up by Warner Bros. Discovery, there's no way that David Zaslav is going to be willing to spend as lavishly on the franchise as CBS/Paramount has in recent years.