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[Robin9]

The original mono Vertigo mix is included on both the blu-ray and the 4K

. . . . and that's what I listen to.

 

[ScottRE]

The original mono Vertigo mix is included on both the blu-ray and the 4K

As per @Robert Harris in his original post (emphasis mine):

Vertigo in DTS-X, as all as two-channel monaural - based upon positive prints, dupe optical tracks, original 3-track stereo music and original monaural music, along with new Foley and effects tracks. Original tracks for this film did not survive.

Here's a comparison video. Listen to the gunshots. The first conforms to the the DVD and VHS mix I'd heard for years. The second reflects the recent 4K and Blu Ray. I am used to the first but that doesn't mean it's the original, but it makes me wonder why they just didn't pull the earlier sound if it IS the original (I have no idea - the film is older than I am). So is the current mono mix true to the original or an assembly?

The second is the same sound effect on both the mono and DTS tracks.

 

[Nathan_H]

I don't know the answer, but I am hoping to learn more. It clearly isn't as simple as I thought (ie, I thought the mono track on the new release was a simple transcription of the original but if the original is lost, that would't be possible).

 

[Worth]

What soundtrack was on the 1984 re-release prints? And the subsequent laserdisc?

 

[pjones]

Just checked my two laserdisc versions:

- On the 1984 MCA Home Video LD (40082), which only has analog audio, the gunshots sound like the second set in the above video, with no silence between the shot and echo.

- On the 1997 MCA/Universal Home Video LD (42941), which is from the 1996 restoration, listening to the PCM digital audio, the gunshots sound like the first set in the above video, with distinctly separate echo noises. (I can't check the DD/AC-3 track on that LD because I'm no longer have the RF demod needed for that, but I very much expect it's the same.)

And on both the UHD and the 2012 Blu-ray, as you say, the gunshots on both the multi-channel and mono tracks sound like those on the second set above and the 1984 laserdisc.

I've never had any DVD version, but my memory is that at least the early DVDs had pretty much the same content as the 1997 LD. The documentary Obsessed with Vertigo included on that LD (and on the Blu-ray and the UHD) mentions new Foley effects done for the 1996 restoration.

 

[Nathan_H]

So the UHD has one track that matches the 1984 LD, which is likely the original mono?

And when people say the original soundtrack was lost what they probably mean is that the original soundtrack ELEMENTS were lost, so when the surround sound re-mix was done, they had to do a new foley track, and those gunshots ended up sounding very different, far more like a 1990 movie, in the surround mix?

 

[davidmatychuk]

I have the purple suede Hitchcock box and the 2 disc hardcover book edition for DVD's of "Vertigo" and now I feel compelled to check them tomorrow when I get home. Ah, HTF, what would life be without you?

Just checked my two laserdisc versions:

- On the 1984 MCA Home Video LD (40082), which only has analog audio, the gunshots sound like the second set in the above video, with no silence between the shot and echo.

- On the 1997 MCA/Universal Home Video LD (42941), which is from the 1996 restoration, listening to the PCM digital audio, the gunshots sound like the first set in the above video, with distinctly separate echo noises. (I can't check the DD/AC-3 track on that LD because I'm no longer have the RF demod needed for that, but I very much expect it's the same.)

And on both the UHD and the 2012 Blu-ray, as you say, the gunshots on both the multi-channel and mono tracks sound like those on the second set above and the 1984 laserdisc.

I've never had any DVD version, but my memory is that at least the early DVDs had pretty much the same content as the 1997 LD. The documentary Obsessed with Vertigo included on that LD (and on the Blu-ray and the UHD) mentions new Foley effects done for the 1996 restoration.

 

[pjones]

RAH's "few words" about the 2012 Vertigo Blu-ray has some words about sound, including how they weren't happy with the final results of newly created elements for the 1996 restoration, and that the 2012 Blu-ray (mostly?) rectified that. I would guess that these gunshots fall into this category.

 

[ScottRE]

RAH's "few words" about the 2012 Vertigo Blu-ray has some words about sound, including how they weren't happy with the final results of newly created elements for the 1996 restoration, and that the 2012 Blu-ray (mostly?) rectified that. I would guess that these gunshots fall into this category.

This helps a lot, thank you. Going by this, the sound I was used to wasn't the sound that reflected the original release. I can accept that. I have the DVD saved if I really have a jones for two gunshots.

I watched the film with Royal Brown some years ago and had dinner with he and his wife a few times (she and I did theater together) and discussed the film. He mentioned the changes in the sound mix but I don't remember what the final analysis was.

 

[Osato]

Wow!

The Prince Charles Cinema | Seasons | ALFRED HITCHCOCK

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[Konstantinos]

Now that North by Northwest 4k is coming https://shop.warnerbros.co.uk/colle...tor-s-edition-with-steelbook-4k-ultra-hd-1959, I wanted to ask something (Sorry, I think I have asked this again)
1) I guess there won't be a box with all 15 films (inc. North by Northwest) in 4k because this is WB and the others are Universal?
I want to replace this set I have with 4ks:

Amazon.com

2) If I order now from Amazon, will I get Psycho 4k with the correct mix?

 

[Nathan_H]

2) Almost assuredly. I bought it in Sept 2021 from Amazon in the US and got the right version.

 

[Konstantinos]

Thank you.
One other thing I forgot to ask:
The included blu-rays are from the new scans or the old ones?

 

[Osato]

Now that North by Northwest 4k is coming https://shop.warnerbros.co.uk/colle...tor-s-edition-with-steelbook-4k-ultra-hd-1959, I wanted to ask something (Sorry, I think I have asked this again)
1) I guess there won't be a box with all 15 films (inc. North by Northwest) in 4k because this is WB and the others are Universal?
I want to replace this set I have with 4ks:

Amazon.com

2) If I order now from Amazon, will I get Psycho 4k with the correct mix?

Wow! Awesome news!!

 

[Robert Saccone]

Now that North by Northwest 4k is coming https://shop.warnerbros.co.uk/colle...tor-s-edition-with-steelbook-4k-ultra-hd-1959, I wanted to ask something (Sorry, I think I have asked this again)
1) I guess there won't be a box with all 15 films (inc. North by Northwest) in 4k because this is WB and the others are Universal?
I want to replace this set I have with 4ks:

Amazon.com

2) If I order now from Amazon, will I get Psycho 4k with the correct mix?

Looks like a nice release. Wonder if we will get a US release that’s equivalent?

 

[Osato]

Looks like a nice release. Wonder if we will get a US release that’s equivalent?

I noted that the release date is December. Lots of time till an announcement most likely

 

[John Maher_289910]

I found nothing about sound on the new 4K disc for NORTH BY NORTHWEST. Anyone know?

 

[Josh Steinberg]

Thank you.
One other thing I forgot to ask:
The included blu-rays are from the new scans or the old ones?

Psycho has an updated Blu-ray, all the other Universal Hitchcocks on 4K disc include the older, already existing Blu-ray.

 

[Keith Cobby]

Now that North by Northwest 4k is coming https://shop.warnerbros.co.uk/colle...tor-s-edition-with-steelbook-4k-ultra-hd-1959, I wanted to ask something (Sorry, I think I have asked this again)
1) I guess there won't be a box with all 15 films (inc. North by Northwest) in 4k because this is WB and the others are Universal?
I want to replace this set I have with 4ks:

Amazon.com

2) If I order now from Amazon, will I get Psycho 4k with the correct mix?

Thanks for the heads-up on the North by Northwest 4k, it's been my favourite film for a long time. Surprised it wasn't announced, and hopefully it will be released before 31 December (4 July would be good as that is Eva Marie Saint's 100th birthday). I always wanted her line of dialogue on the train to be fixed!

 

[Osato]

I found nothing about sound on the new 4K disc for NORTH BY NORTHWEST. Anyone know?

Posted earlier in the thread. Here you go:

North by Northwest Ultimate Collector's Edition with Steelbook [4K Ultra HD] [1959]

Celebrate 65 years of Alfred Hitchcock's legendary North by Northwest with a brand new 4K restoration and Ultimate Collector's Edition featuring a Steelbook with new key art, theatrical poster lenticular, and other vintage premiums. Cary Grant is the screen's supreme man-on-the-run in his fourth...

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