A Few Words About While we wait for a few words about… Killers Of The Flower Moon - in 4k UHD (1 Viewer)

[Josh Steinberg]

The New York Times did an article the other day about how Scorsese shot the violence in this film differently than in past films like Goodfellas or Casino, and I noticed that when watching it. It’s not balletic or poetic. There’s no kinetic, fast cut, adrenaline soaked sequences. It doesn’t feel “fun” like it might have in those other films. This time around, he chooses to film violent moments in long shots and mostly unbroken takes, so that it’s always visually and emotionally clear that one person is violating another. It had the effect of making the cruelty and wrong-ness of those actions much clearer.

 

[bujaki]

The Age of Innocence is a very violent film. There's just no bloodshed.

 

[Keith Cobby]

Vue cinemas in the UK are running Killers of the Flower Moon with an interval.

 

[Robert Harris]

Vue cinemas in the UK are running Killers of the Flower Moon with an interval.

They should not be. The use of a break is up to the filmmakers - not the theater. They’ll soon be adjusting the volume for louder scenes to equalize them.

It all goes back to Thomas DeQuincey’s comment about how possibly not fasting on the Sabbath, or some other point one thought little of at the time can eventually lead one toward procrastination - or murder.

 

[Tino]

Vue cinemas in the UK are running Killers of the Flower Moon with an interval.

Not for long they will.

 

[ahollis]

As I recall , Robert Wise was not in favor of an intermission for West Side Story. However he proposed where a good spot for an intermission would be to aplease United Artists. It is mentioned on the Blu-ray and I think you have the option to play with or without intermission. At least that’s what my old brain recalls.

 

[SD_Brian]

Not looking to re-open this particular can of worms or anything, but given Mr. Scorsese's statements on the genre, I found it ironic that at least half of the pre-show trailers were for movies based on comic books.

 

[Robert Crawford]

Not looking to re-open this particular can of worms or anything, but given Mr. Scorsese's statements on the genre, I found it ironic that at least half of the pre-show trailers were for movies based on comic books.

Not much he could do about it.

 

[JoshZ]

The great hypocrisy in Scorsese and Schoonmaker's opposition to an intermission is that, at 81 and 83 years old respectively, I doubt either one of them is physically capable of watching their own movie without a bathroom break.

Knowing what a big fan Scorsese is of movies like Lawrence of Arabia and Ben-Hur, you'd think he'd welcome the opportunity to put an intermission in his own four-hour epic.

 

[Robert Crawford]

I guess today is pick on "Marty Day".

 

[Worth]

The great hypocrisy in Scorsese and Schoonmaker's opposition to an intermission is that, at 81 and 83 years old respectively, I doubt either one of them is physically capable of watching their own movie without a bathroom break.

Knowing what a big fan Scorsese is of movies like Lawrence of Arabia and Ben-Hur, you'd think he'd welcome the opportunity to put an intermission in his own four-hour epic.

They probably figure, correctly, that the vast majority of viewers will be watching it at home.

 

[Malcolm R]

They probably figure, correctly, that the vast majority of viewers will be watching it at home.

Where people are probably stopping and restarting the film repeatedly. So why throw a pissy bitch fit if a theater wants to add an intermission? Have a little respect for viewers paying to see your film, Marty.

 

[Keith Cobby]

Maybe intermissions work best for adventure films rather than drama. I'll never forget the first film I watched which had an intermission, when Chitty fell off the cliff (a really exciting moment at 8 years old). I think all films over 2 1/2 hours should have one.

 

[JohnRice]

I hate to further the distraction, but intermissions can be extremely effective in dramas. Two particular examples come to mind where they greatly enhanced the movie. Fiddler on the Roof and Dr. Zhivago. Gone With the Wind wasn't bad either.

 

[Jake Lipson]

Have any Apple-owned productions received a physical release?

Wolfwalkers received a physical media release from Gkids with a big asterisk. It is only available in the Carton Saloon Irish Folklore Trilogy boxed set alongside two other films. You can get it, but the box set retails for $80 so is quite a bit more expensive than a regular standalone release would have been.

Also, Sofia Coppola's film On the Rocks, which was produced with A24, has a Blu-ray release. But Joel Coen's version of Macbeth -- which was also in cooperation with A24 -- does not.

I think Scorsese is a big enough deal to demand and receive a physical media release at some point. But it might be a longer wait than usual if Apple wants to keep it exclusive to their streaming service for a while first. The Irishman came out via Criterion about a year after its nominal theatrical release from Netflix.

I also expect the eventual release to be physical media only. It will probably omit the usual digital copy. That way, Apple will still be the only place you can stream the movie. They'll still control that format exclusively.

ave a little respect for viewers paying to see your film, Marty.

I talked about this in the Flower Moon thread over in the movies forum. It is up to Scorsese how he wants his film to be shown. However, I think he might be shooting himself in the foot by refusing to allow an intermission.

Friends have told me that they want to see the movie but have chosen to wait until it arrives on Apple specifically because they don't think they can sit for that long. They want to be able to create their own intermission by pausing it. If Scorsese allowed an intermission, more people might be wiling to go out and see it. He appears to have decided that the lack of an intermission is more important than bringing those people into the theater. Considering how important the theatrical release is to him, this is an odd decision.

You also have to factor in that most major multiplexes do not get to the movie promptly. My local Cinemark will usually run at least 25 minutes of trailers and ads before the movie starts. So the three and a half hour running time becomes more like four at a place like that. I'd guess Scorsese has probably not gone to an average multiplex in a long time. If he wants to go see a movie in a theater, he is probably going to an upscale venue where they don't have as much pre-show stuff. When I visited the Chinese Theatre in Hollywood over the summer, they had a significantly shorter load of trailers than I am accustomed to at Cinemark. I can't speak for him, but Scorsese is probably much more accustomed to experiences like that.

 

[JoshZ]

They probably figure, correctly, that the vast majority of viewers will be watching it at home.

The movie is an Apple production, and I'm sure Apple would've been very happy to make it a streaming exclusive. The only reason it's getting a theatrical release at all is because Scorsese demanded it. He's from a generation of filmmakers who still consider television an inherently inferior medium. But he has to go where the money is, and for his last two films that's been Netflix and Apple.

Frankly, if Scorsese feels that this story is too important to cut it down to a reasonable theatrical length, he should've made it into a "limited series" of five or six episodes on Apple TV. That probably would have served the material better. Unfortunately, it would not serve his ego very well to be reduced to a mere TV director. He needs a couple more Oscar nominations on his résumé before he bows out.

 

[Jake Lipson]

The movie is an Apple production, and I'm sure Apple would've been very happy to make it a streaming exclusive. The only reason it's getting a theatrical release at all is because Scorsese demanded it.

I agree that Apple financed this primarily to benefit their streaming service. However, Apple is also doing wide theatrical releases for Napoleon (Ridley Scott) and Argiyle (directed by Matthew Vaughn.) I like Matthew Vaughn, but he doesn't have the pull that Scorsese does. Yet, his film is still getting a wide release next year via Universal before heading to Apple. So it appears Apple is at least somewhat interested in the theatrical business.

I also think Apple deserves some credit for allowing this to have a significant theatrical release rather than the token handful of screens that Irishman got from Netflix.

 

[Robert Crawford]

Hey Marty, take that bullseye off your back.

 

[SD_Brian]

I've seen some 90-minute movies that felt longer than 206 minutes. A compelling narrative and proper pacing make all the difference.

 

[ManW_TheUncool]

I agree that Apple financed this primarily to benefit their streaming service. However, Apple is also doing wide theatrical releases for Napoleon (Ridley Scott) and Argiyle (directed by Matthew Vaughn.) I like Matthew Vaughn, but he doesn't have the pull that Scorsese does. Yet, his film is still getting a wide release next year via Universal before heading to Apple. So it appears Apple is at least somewhat interested in the theatrical business.

I also think Apple deserves some credit for allowing this to have a significant theatrical release rather than the token handful of screens that Irishman got from Netflix.

Not sure, but I suspect Apple probably sees it as more prestigious/beneficial to actually release wide, if they're gonna bother at all... or it might appear like they're being too cheap or something.

IMO, although they both want their Marty films to bring some prestige and help draw subscribers, NF is or at least had been strictly a streamer (though looks like they might possibly attempt to branch out some to eventually go after Amazon a little bit perhaps) while (AppleTV+) subscription streaming is actually merely a tiny part of Apple (and isn't even the only nor biggest part of their streaming bizz so far even though it's probably currently their most costly) that's still only mere potential so far w/ no clarity on its eventual, final destination at all...

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